Jan
30
2008
30
2008
Excess
Filed under: Consumerism, Contentment, Following Jesus, Simplifying, Stuff
The more time I spend with Jesus, the more disenchanted I am with the things of this world. I’m soaking in His words and realizing once again what He is all about. And I’m wondering. Pondering. Over and over in my head…
How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ live a life of EXCESS?
I don’t know the answer…because there are so many more questions that go hand in hand with this:
“What IS excess?”
“Is one person’s excess different than another person’s?”
“Is living with excess ever ok?
Let’s start by defining excess:
1. The state of exceeding what is normal or sufficient.
2. An amount or quantity beyond what is normal or sufficient; a surplus.
Ok. So…excess is having more than you need. But what exactly is a “need”? Is having a new living room set a need? Is having brand name clothing a need? Is having more than two pairs of jeans a need? Is having organic food a need?
See what I mean? It’s very difficult to nail down exactly what a need is. Everyone defines it differently. I may look at someone and think that they are living a life of excess…but chances are, they don’t see it that way. They may see it as being “blessed”. Each part of the country will have a different answer. Each income bracket. Each church. Each family.
Has our definition of excess and need changed over the years? Yes. TV and advertising has radically altered our view of necessity. Your parents’ and grandparents’ definition of need is most likely different than yours. Go a few weeks without watching TV. Don’t visit the mall. Don’t read the advertisements from the Sunday paper or open “SALE!” emails in your inbox. And then….see how different those wants and needs feel. How much less “urgent” they seem.
Is excess having more than one of something? Is it having two or three or four of something? Bikes? Cars? Cell phones? Coats? Shoes? Pots and pans? Why do we have so many of these things? When there are people in the world without shelter, without food, without basic necessities…how do we go on accumulating more for ourselves? It reminds me of the quote by Ghandi, “Live simply so others may live”. How can we stop consuming so much…so that we are able to provide more resources for others?
I would suggest that we figure out WHY we are running after all of these “things”. Why are people working 80 hours a week to pay for a house that they are never there to enjoy? I’ve heard it so many times since we hit the road for the tour…people saying “I wish I could do that!”. When I tell them that they COULD do it…they give me all the reasons why they couldn’t. They have a big house payment.They just bought a new car with payments. They have too much credit card debt. Notice a pattern? Everything holding them back is related to money. Money they spent that they didn’t have anyway. They were seduced into believing they needed these things, and now they must work endless hours to pay for it all. And now they just want a real life.
On a somewhat related note…
I’ve often heard it said that if there weren’t wealthy Christians with an excess of possessions and money, who would minister to the wealthy unbelievers? Who would be “in their crowd” to show Christ to them? What about Christians who use their abundant resources to reach the lost? Who open up their large homes for people to use? Could all of that extra money be used in a different way that is more effective in ministry? I don’t know what the answer is to this. I’ve asked so many people this question over the years and no one gives me the same answer. My initial thought: Isn’t God bigger than that? Does he not own all the resources in the world? I don’t think it’s necessary to “blend in” to the world to minister to the world. I think everyone could live simply and still minister to all types of people.
I read an interesting excerpt on the Youth Specialties website regarding how Christians and consumerism:
The materialism of American Christianity rests entirely in the fact that we’ve turned one single verse on its head. Paul surrenders himself with the words, “To the Jews I become like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those not having the law” (1 Cor. 9:20 NIV). When in Rome, we might say.
But American Christians are largely doing this in reverse order. Paul chose to be like the Gentiles to minister to the Gentiles. We choose to minister to the suburban middle class, because we have chosen to be like them. The average American Christian seeks to go to college, secure a career, move to the suburbs, have 2.5 kids, and then declare, “Here I am, Lord! Send me!” We, the crew, have cast out the anchor and settled down before asking the captain, “To where are we sailing?” And I imagine that Jesus feels like his call to us is like a captain trying to steer an anchored ship. In the Navy, this is called mutiny.
I just wonder. I wonder what kind of amazing, crazy adventures God would take us on if we gave Him the reigns before we TOLD him what we were doing and asked Him to come along?
Jesus makes it very clear in the following parable that having “riches” makes it more difficult, but not impossible to follow Him.
The Rich Man
16 Someone came to Jesus with this question: “Teacher,[a] what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” 17
“Why ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied.“There is only One who is good. But to answer your question—if you want to receive eternal life, keep[b] the commandments.” 18 “Which ones?” the man asked.
And Jesus replied:
“‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. 19Honor your father and mother. Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c]” 20 “I’ve obeyed all these commandments,” the young man replied. “What else must I do?”
21 Jesus told him,
“If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 22 But when the young man heard this, he went away sad, for he had many possessions.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples,
“I tell you the truth, it is very hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. 24I’ll say it again—it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!” 25 The disciples were astounded. “Then who in the world can be saved?” they asked.
26 Jesus looked at them intently and said,
“Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But with God everything is possible.”
I’ve found this to be so true in my own life. In times where our income has been small…I rely on Jesus for EVERY LITTLE THING. I ask him to help me be wise in my grocery shopping…to help me choose the right foods for the right price. When we are bringing in more money, I tend to forget about praying before I head into the store. More money feels like security. I mistakingly believe that I have provided myself with a safety net. But in reality…ALL things come from God. Nothing is ours to begin with. And if you continue on that road long enough…believing that YOU are the one who EARNED your income to buy all of your excess things, it will be harder and harder for you to rely on God for your daily needs.
I do not believe that making a good income is bad in itself. It’s when people start to put their hope and trust in it…when they start to think that the world would fall in if that money went away tomorrow. The following quote by John Wesley really hits the point home:
“When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.”
Jesus knew the seductive power of money…and this is why he spoke about it more than most things in the Bible.
“If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?” (1 John 3:17).
“Give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread. Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you and say, ‘who is the Lord’? Or I may become poor and steal and so dishonour the name of my God” (Proverbs 30:8).
“And my God will supply all our needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 4:19).
Living simply and giving money away to others is a radical way to live in today’s society. But are we not called to live a life set apart? A life that is different? Right now, it just seems like most people are blending in. Be different…and confront your ideas about excess.
I’d love for this to be a starting point for a discussion about these ideas…I truly have no answers here. In fact, I think I asked more questions in this post than I answered. These are ideas that are constantly in my mind…and I would love to hear your thoughts. I know there isn’t one “right” answer to the question about having excess…but let’s all learn from each other’s experiences and insight.
Posted by Sara @ 10:49 pm | Leave a Comment
30
2008
What a great post, Sara. My faith differs from yours, but many of the the ideas here about conformity, finding comfort in a false sense of security, and chasing material excess are something I ponder and question each and every day. I look forward to following the discussion that ensues.
30
2008
I totally agree that many people (in North America, anyways) are living a life of “excess” because that is just the norm. That’s how people do it here. People don’t own things, they pay for everything later. Debt is not a concern. If someone sees something they want, and they can meet the monthly payment, then hey! “Charge it!”
I am soooo glad that my partner and I have seen the light on this issue and are now paying off ALL of our debts with any spare cash we have, and afterwards will only buy things when we have the money to do so, and when it is a “need”. As far as what a “need” is, that will always be different for everyone…but one thing I’m sure of is that most people out there have a whole lot more than they need. (Myself included, but I’m working on it!)
Great post Sara, thanks.
Erin
30
2008
Thanks so much for this post. It has been our struggle to live a simple live, continuing to trust God daily for our every need. But, I find that too often I am worried about money, health insurance, car repairs, etc. It has been my prayer over the last few days that the Lord would continually remind me that HE is the one that provides ALL things. and that He takes care of his children.
Also, I live in the Bible belt where comfortable Christians drive big SUVs and live in nice suburban houses… I am finding it so hard to remember that my life should be about storing up treasures in heaven instead of a bunch of earthly stuff. I am also seeing how this “American dream” lifestyle is hindering Christians from ministering to those who really need to hear the gospel. Do you experience this in other parts of the US, or is it just here?
This is a great post with much relevance!! Thanks again.
31
2008
I’d ask you to consider how your bolded words at the top are just dripping with judgment. The way I read them anyway. As if one couldn’t “claim” to be a Christian without being perfectly so.
31
2008
Good questions Sarah! All ones I’ve been asking myself lately too. Hmm. . . I’ve got no more answers than the ones you laid out there straight from Scripture but I am glad that at least the discussion is going on now! I’d love to know which books you’d recommend as I continue thinking about this.
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2008
Hmmmm… a lot of thoughts here, especially after just finishing Irresistible Revolution.I think a lot of if is truly and individual stance. As you said what may be a “need” for one person might not be at all. I love how Shane mentions about organic food in the book, for a lot of us living in privileged America and being so “blessed with knowledge” we see that as a needful choice, however for those living in poor America or other countries the need is simply food.
Life is all about choices, just like you guys with RVing, so many people say to me (one just the other day), “huh… wish I had the money to be able to stay home and homeschool.” Well, why don’t you? What choice are you making that keeps you from doing it? My husband is not well-to-do financially at all. He’s a simply working man outside everyday (90 degrees to -20 degrees) working his heiny off. We have one car, a decent rent. We shop carefully, and don’t indulge. It is our way of life. You’d mentioned about grocery shopping, our pastor’s middle son loves to pray before dinner. His prayer is awesome: “Dear Jesus, I love you, thank you for buying us this food.”
Being removed from the hubbub of a large city this Christmas (ie, not visiting Target/ Wallyworld 2- 3x a week)was huge. A week before Christmas I realized that I had truly enjoyed the season, and couldn’t believe it was a week away and I wasn’t stressed. I made many of our gifts and decorations and had a ball, spend less money, and wasn’t stressed or caught up in ” /I need this, I need to do this….i need, i need, i need.”
You know the story of where we live and why, and the other two families who have also moved here are also facing a cold winter with small resources. What a blessing it has been to be able to help each other. Maybe it hasn’t been much, but just a little bit can make a world of difference sometime. John (the worship dude) taught a few months back and one thing he said that stuck is that the world sees money/extra money as a means to buy more stuff, whereas Christians should see money/extra money as a way to help others.
I don’t believe that means we must all live a life of poverty. Perhaps, that’s simply because I don’t want to… I dunno… but I think it’s about being a good steward, making sure you work hard, that you spend money you have and only what you need, that you are free to give, and do so happily. Everything is from God, He does provide every need. One thing that sticks in my mind right now from Shane’s book which is that he talks about how each of us should be dramatically changed when we look at Christ. The changes will look difference, but the altered lives should be clear:
“Not everyone responds exactly the same way. Some will give up their houses and leave their fields. Others will offer their possessions to the community and for hospitality houses like Mary and Martha, and Peter’s family. Others will hold back from the common pool and lie to God, and they will be struck dead like Ananias and Saphira. (Just kidding….hopefully) There are the Matthews who encounter Jesus and sell everything. But then there are also the Zacchaeuses who meet Jesus and redefine their careers. So not everyone responds in the same way, but we must respond. We mus seek our vocation listening to the voice of God and the voices of our suffering neighbors. Both Zacchaeus and Matthew responded to the call of Jesus in radical ways that did not conform to the pattern of the world.” From Irresistible Revolution by Shane Claiborne, pg 142.
I think that is what it comes down to. Examining our lives…every aspect… in the light of the cross, and the light on how Christ lived while here on earth.
Well…. that’s a lot for 7:40 am…wooo… sorry to ramble, great post. I think I will mention it on my blog along with my response.
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2008
This is a tough issue. It seems with every year I see how much of this just can’t fit neatly into a black/white grid. I think it’s all about motive…God sees our hearts and will convict the believer if money is an idol, if He has a different plan for that family….we need to be careful not to judge the wealthy b/c their conscience may be clear before the Lord and we just don’t understand His plan and His ways in that person’s life. They are on a spiritual journey and the Lord may not have visited that area of their life yet or in a different way. We also don’t know the secret giving they do, their personal worship, their hospitality to other believers and the stranger. There is a wealthy couple that I observe from a distance and have found out they house many unwed mothers over the years and give a tremendous amount of money and time to others…yet I can live simply and have a stingy heart (or worse an elitist heart) b/c I don’t have what seems like much to give…it feels like an ouch sacrifice!
I think all money management should free us up to be more generous…some of us may need a bigger home to house the poor or traveling missionaries (which would be difficult in an RV 
and some of us are in the RV being the traveling missionary 
I think we need to simply judge ourselves and what the Lord is calling OUR family to be, to do, to give….and encourage all to be generous and hospitable. I guess LOVE is the bottom line.
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2008
OH and with excess: if I have more than one of anything then I should always be willing to look to the needs of others who don’t and give. Thank God for the extra “whatever” and watch to see who else might be blessed. Live with giving eyes wide open.
31
2008
I think you’re asking some really great questions. For myself, I’ve found that the hardest part about ‘letting go’ is realizing that I cannot tell someone else what God has called them to do with their money. That’s really, really hard for me because it seems evident so many times that people are living in excess. I’m all about speaking out against consumerism. I’ve been checking myself when I speak out against the consumers. My own sin is more than enough to concern my attention.
And that’s an ironic Youth Specialties quotes, given that their conferences (I’ve been to four) tend to be an exercise in stuff, stuff and more stuff. See what I mean about the plank in the eye?
31
2008
You don’t ask easy questions, do you Sara?
I could get so sucked into this discussion. It’s a good one.
Most of us here in the US live in excess.I do for sure. I’m challenged by this: http://www.boldergiving.com, but really, you could even say those people are living in excess, too, even if they give away half their income. What’s the definition of it? You are right.
Truly, this is a heart issue. Where’s our heart? Are we following hard after God first and foremost? You can be a lover of money, as well as frugality. It’s all about money either way. I would venture to say you could even be obsessed about giving….it’s a good thing, but it doesn’t save you.
Hard questions. I do wish I had answers I’ll be back for sure to listen to the discussion here.
31
2008
Good thoughts Sara. I read via RSS, but don’t comment. This one had my name all over it and I couldn’t resist.
When you quoted “Paul chose to be like the Gentiles to minister to the Gentiles. We choose to minister to the suburban middle class, because we have chosen to be like them,” I totally agree. We often put the cart before the horse when it comes to following God’s plan for our lives and ministry.
When you asked, “I’ve often heard it said that if there weren’t wealthy Christians with an excess of possessions and money, who would minister to the wealthy unbelievers? Who would be ‘in their crowd’ to show Christ to them?” I know the answer: People like me and my family.
Four years ago we were debt free with a modest home on 4 acres and 2 decent vehicles. We didn’t live excessively, made green choices and always chose the things we did prudently. Today, we still skip the excess in day to day life and chose green and prudent when possible. The difference is that now we live in a 4000+ sqft house on one acre with a formerly manicured lawn that we wouldn’t have chosen on our own. We are also ministering to folks that I might not associate with if I had the choice.
We live in suburban New England surrounded by folks that make twice as much as us, or more, take 3+ vacations a year, have summer homes, swimming pools, pop up campers and kids in every activity under the sun. They are busy, frazzled and unhappy. The neighbors marvel at our polite and generous kids, great culinary skills and that we stay home SO MUCH. Our mere presence here has screamed volumes to them, even though they don’t have time to show up when repeatedly invited for dinner.
First, the only reason we can “afford” this house is because we don’t live excessively. I use the word afford loosely because I would feel barely comfortable with a mortgage half this big. Second, we really wanted a $50k cabin in the woods in the middle of nowhere that we could add on to debt free at our leisure, but that’s not what God wanted for us. God made it VERY clear that he wanted us and our laid back lifestyle plunked in the middle of dizzy Suburbia to show the 6 families on our street that there IS another and better way.
I hate being in debt. God has heard it from me at least a thousand times. But! God owns everything and provides us with everything. If he wants to spend His provision on this house, I had best not complain. We don’t feel obligated to give God just 10%. We know that 100% of everything we have, from houses to kids to opportunities to ability, is His and His alone. He gets to choose and we get to follow. Even the story of how we ended up in this house is an amazing God tale.
In my big house and plush neighborhood, I am able to host church gatherings for large crowds and make folks feel pampered and loved by serving home baked brownies and cinnamon rolls on my “fine” thrift store dishes. We are able to host overnight guests with little hassle. We had the space to take in a homeless couple for several months and help them get back on their feet. And I’ve gotten to see how “the other half” lives – both sides of the proverbial other half. No, I wouldn’t have chosen this path, but God has used us in many unique ways in the last 3 years. I may stress about the number in our bank account, but I also know that the God Bucks I’m racking up in heaven can’t compare to anything I’ll ever accumulate here.
So you see Sara, I feel that you can BE set apart when it really doesn’t LOOK like you’re set apart to the causal observer. We have been put in a position to help brothers on whom there was no pity shown. God has provided financially each step, because frankly, our out go and income are very close. We have neither riches nor poverty, but we sure look like we’re related to the Joneses.
31
2008
Thanks to everyone for your responses so far…
Heather…I’m sorry you found my question to be judgmental. It was certainly not meant to be. Just a question that I’ve been pondering…wanting feedback from others. I’m not judging in any way.
Emily…I thought it was funny too
If you read the entire article that quote came from, you will see that the youth pastor struggles with that issue and is approaching his ministry in a different way.
Anna…I think this is something that happens everywhere but is more pronounced in some areas where churches are super clustered. This is one of my concerns…that huge suburban churches kind of create their own “world” for their church-goers and forget about the mission field (this is not all, but it happens regularly).
Jess…thanks for the great response. I’m so glad you liked the Claiborne book. Part of me wishes we could ALL just live like that (with nearly nothing/ministering)…but I don’t know if that’s the right way either.
Andrea…it IS a heart issue. And it’s God’s business where a person’s heart is. I could NEVER know truly how a person is responding to the wealth they have. We can look at their checkbook, but even that would not tell the whole story. Judgment is something that rests completely on the Lord. The more I dig into His word, the more I realize what a wretched person in need of a Savior I am! This causes me to pretty much forget about what other people are doing and focus on the areas that I need to improve.
I don’t think there is an answer…because it’s different for everyone, like you have all said. I’m paraphrasing, but “to those whom much has been given, much is expected”…”he who is faithful with little will be faithful with much”. We are all growing and learning our way through life. Focusing on MY HEART and MY MOTIVES is where God wants me to start
31
2008
Sara, I think part of the issue with consumerism and Christianity lies in the fact that a lot of people are completely unaware of how the rest of the world lives. I’m sure most everyone has seen the commercials for World Vision or other child sponsorship programs yet merely turn a blind eye or flip the channel when they come on. I know this will sound horrible, but my husband used to think the children were intentionally ‘dressed up’ to look destitute. Ironic, huh? Anyways, thankfully he no longer thinks that way, but I bet several people also believe that these programs are only exploiting children. I personally do not think they are. Back to my main point, if you don’t purposefully seek to find out about how other people groups live, I don’t think you’ll just happen upon it in the media. I’ve gotten more involved with reading books on missions, and the living conditions of two-thirds of the world is unbelievable. Wake up America! The poorest of the poor in our country still look wealthy to other countries.
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2008
Janel…what an amazing and beautiful adventure God has you on. Your story has brought a great perspective to this discussion and I am so happy you spoke up. A perfect example of how we can’t judge anyone, EVER, by appearances.
Megan…you are so right. When our view of the world breaks out of just America…our eyes are opened. I remember the first time I read through the book “Material World”…it changed me forever. That was the beginning of our “quest” to live more simply. I finally realized exactly how much of the world lives on nothing…and how much excess I had. I finally realized that what the advertising executives were telling me wasn’t true at all.
Thanks for your comments!
31
2008
Excess can be viewed in many different ways. One of the themes that seem present in the responses is “What is it that Fulfills me?” I aspire to live simply, i.e. only have limited material things. However, Janel is living simply too although her environment may not reflect that. One of the keys seems to be “Am I in service to God and others” vs.”I want some stuff because I like stuff.” If I am in service it seems the “stuff” around me becomes mostly irrelevant. My 2 cents.
Randy
31
2008
Sara…. I’m just a lurker here, but I wanted to say how much I’ve enjoyed this post and the thought-provoking discussion. I’ve really enjoyed Janel’s comment, too, as we were in a similar place not too long ago… We actually did have a *very* generous income, and in the last two years have seen our income drastically reduced by nearly 75%. It literally shook the foundation of what I thought I knew as a Christian as well as what I thought simplicity was… God is bringing us on a very interesting journey and is proving He is here holding our hand every step of the way, causing us to constantly examine our heart and our thought processes. It is actually very exciting, though I must admit it is a little scary at times. I agree with Janel’s comment- things are not what they seem. I am astounded at what God has been teaching us on this path. We’ve had to change our thinking and perceptions in ways that are too profound to attempt to describe with any brevity. But, amazingly, this has been THE BEST season of my life. I love knowing that He is leading us, and that this is right for us, for now, for this time in OUR life…
31
2008
This message is very unpopular within the Western aspects of faith – and when we start dealing with issues of money – yeow – it gets hot in the room. That being said, good job – ‘it’s a dirty job but someone’s got to do it’ (Faith No More).
“It reminds me of the quote by Ghandi, “Live simply so others may live”. How can we stop consuming so much…so that we are able to provide more resources for others?” (Sara)
I totally agree…as guilty as I am of some of this excess…I have to agree. I think the church needs to function like a well oiled machine of program building where we use all our resources to help educate and walk side by side our communities. To me, that is truly being spiritual.
“Could all of that extra money be used in a different way that is more effective in ministry? I don’t know what the answer is to this. I’ve asked so many people this question over the years and no one gives me the same answer” (Sara)
I would say we do need to have good lives if we want to show others the path there – and I should know – I grew up dirt poor but now live like a middle class person – is God angry with that? No…but I do have more responsibility with what I have earned (been given).
As for the money issue, I say put it all into programs for the poor in our communities – and have all the congregation involved in the running of the programs. Examples could be:
- Grocery programs
- Single mother programs
- Elderly programs
- Helping people with employment
- Tutor or mentor programs (education)
- Helping people move
- Financial aid to those in dire need
- Counselling programs
There is so much a whole church community can do if they just put their mind to it.
“Jesus knew the seductive power of money…and this is why he spoke about it more than most things in the Bible.” (Sara)
Basically if you want to be spit on keep talking about what Jesus does say about money in a Capitalist country – people seem to frown upon it (at least that is what I have noticed). However, I think you’re doing a great job by raising this issue and I couldn’t be more happy to hear it.
Maybe we need to love one another more and forget about the pocketbooks.
31
2008
I really like what Aimee said above. God sees our hearts and our motives and how we steward what we have been given.
This is a great post, Sara! Thanks for making me think once again. I’ve been on a journey of downsizing for about a year, but I have a long way to go. It is amazing what a weight is lifted already. Having less gives us more time for the important things in life – loving God and others – rather than spending a crazy amount of time organizing, cleaning, and maintaining our STUFF. You are an inspiration, thank you for always pointing your readers back to Christ.
31
2008
societyvs: I love what you said about more church programming. I feel that so many churches get caught up in building bigger buildings, buying fancier sound equipments and having cooler multimedia…when they could be using that money to help the poor. Are those things inherently bad? No…it’s not bad to want to have a big enough space to fit your congregation in…but these mega church “campuses” just astound me. When pastors are driving Escalades and wearing designer suits…something is wrong. Again, I seem to be generalizing, but it’s the sad state of our church today, and it’s what people “see” when they think of Christianity. When I ask someone what their first reaction to the word “Christian” is…I’d rather have it be “someone full of love” and not “someone full of hypocrisies”. LOVE is where it’s at
I’ve been thinking a lot about that. To really dig into Corinthians 13 and discover what love is…if we would apply that to our lives like a balm, what an amazing transformation we would see in our lives and how we treat/think about those around us.
Wendy…thanks so much for your kind words. Isn’t it such an awesome feeling when you are no longer bogged down by the material things of this world?! Go go!
31
2008
it seems to me that looking at excess in our lives cannot be a solely material endeavor. meaning, the thing that compels me to crave/seek/consume/pile up affirmation for the things i do.. that same drive is what compels me to buy something that i do not truly need. the same thing that causes me to pile up excessive acheivements is the same thing that causes me feel as though i need chocolate every day. of course, these things are profoundly individual, a product of culture, upbringing, personality, etc. the root (for me) is finding/accepting my true worth in god. if i am understanding how he feels about me and truly accepting my security from him, i don’t need to consume excess achievements (which tends to be a protestant phenomenon… something that can be crazy considering not only a protestant can love jesus), i don’t need to consume excess feedback from others, i don’t need to buy new things for my house or my person or my stomach. the crazy thing is… the difference between the outputs can be totally invisible. my life, to the casual observer, may look exactly the same whether i am experiencing true and contented security in god, or whether i am feeling insecure and needy and purchas-y. but the internal difference is astounding. and i guess it probably eventually leaks out into tangible manifestations.
31
2008
Great post Sara! I, like so many others, get caught up in all the “stuff” one thinks they want/need. But I also feel like if you work hard, are a good disciple and have a generous heart then having a comfortable material world is not wrong. It’s the rewards for living up to your potential. It is wrong – and this is the hard part – to get caught up those material things for your happiness, self confidence or your goal in life. So easy to get side tracked in today’s world. And I can see your point of sometimes just getting rid of the “stuff” just makes it easier to keep on track. Thanks for the great questions. They really make me think!
31
2008
Thought provoking post Sara. I’m going to be really honest here and say that sometimes when I look at a certain Christian network, I get a little turned off because a good number of pastors/speakers on that channel have fancy suits, mega houses, even some have their own jets. I’m not going to say that the people of God shouldn’t have or enjoy material things, but it just simply doesn’t sit right with me. Perhaps I’m being judgemental, but I’m just trying to be honest. This Western world is really so so consumeristic (is that a word?) that it makes me sad. I think we get a “high” from buying things, and this just keeps cycling. One only has to look at “Hollywood” to see that money doesn’t buy contentment or even happiness. Yet we are so enslaved with the mentality to have more to fill our emotional needs. I could go on and on, but I’m going to stop. Thanks again.
31
2008
Beautiful post! Reflection of thoughts I’ve struggled with alot recently. The dialogue in comments is interesting too. Thank you so much for the insight and position. It’s complex to be sure, but I think that if our “true needs” are at the forefront of our thoughts, and we’re always considering the needs of those around us, God straightens us out. I know for our family, God has somehow blessed us enough to be able to sponsor a student in Africa while my husband is in full time grad school, we’ve been able to homeschool our kids, and while our income is the least it’s been in a long time, we’ve felt more full than ever before.
We all have to recognize the benefit of the “small things” and be willing to “let go” of material posessions at any time. I hope I can keep this motto in my heart no matter what our income level.
Thanks again for a great discussion.
31
2008
Thanks for bringing to the forefront of my mind something I struggle with; being a good steward of time, talent and blessings. Agreed – anything good in me or in my life comes ONLY from Him.
The power of convergence is strong when looking for God’s lead. I read your post this morning and then while out I took a wrong turn. The road I was on took me past a church sign displaying “God can use anyone to reach everyone.”
I’ll keep praying and thinking and reading and searching. Thank you.
31
2008
Sara,
I really liked your post! I’m still trying to figure all of this out. I’m a Christian and have been trying to find the godly way of living. I believe that the most important thing for all of us is to listen to what God is saying to us and to not judge the people only their sins and even then to be careful to define sin as what is laid out in the Bible. If consumerism is a sin (I’m not trying to say it is or is not I really am not sure
). It seems to me that blessings from God have always been to bless us but also to further God’s kingdom more. I also believe that God requires every bit of us to submit to him. Though I think that emotionally and physically we all can give more as Christ gave everything. It is hard to see truth and that is why I agree with the Bible verses because the Bible is the only source of truth that we can fully trust. 
I will say that in our church our paster lives in a little ranch and drives a old truck. This is even more amazing seeing as God just lead our church to build a new building that was for 3x as many people as we had at the time. Now we are bursting at the seems of our new building and we will need to expand soon. Praise the Lord! Again if we are seeking God everything will be worked out in his timing and in His will. 
Amelia
31
2008
This is a question I have struggled with myself… Part of me longs to live a simple life like that of St. Francis. Sometimes I feel like I obsess a little bit about how simple I should live. Tough questions for sure. I read somewhere that John Wesley asked himself before every purchase if he really needed whatever it was he wanted and if it would bring glory to the kingdom of God. I know I need to ask myself these questions more and more. I’m sure you have already read it, but the book Christians in an age of Hunger really opened my eyes on this subject.
31
2008
Wow. This is an extremely thought-provoking post. I have a related question. I was going to share all the background of my story, but then I realized it’s not really relevant to the question.
Yesterday, I was reading the paper about the rise of the cost of food being a GLOBAL problem — not just an American one. Rice has gone up significantly, as have other staples. Because of this, many people in developing countries are having to find other solutions to their hunger pangs. Dirt cookies is one of these solutions. They mix the dirt with a little bit of shortening and salt and water and wait until they harden in the sun. This is obviously not very healthy for a number of reasons (parasites and malnutrition being the biggest ones).
Anyway, it feels wrong somehow to give to my church instead of to these people. My church has needs, yes. They need to pay the electric bill and their staff. They need to re-locate so they can have a bigger parking area and minister to more people. They need to fulfill the vision that God has given to my pastor.
But these people…man, they need so much more! And it would take so much LESS to fill their need. My husband and I do not have very much money. We always have enough to pay our bills (somehow God always provides it miraculously), but we are still in school, and money is extremely tight. What we can give is so small, and it would probably not make a big difference to our church. But it would probably make a huge difference to the people eating dirt cookies in third-world countries.
But the Bible directs us to pay our tithes to the church. But where is the church that is fulfilling these people’s needs?
31
2008
Sara, I’m sure I will come back to read more and post more of a lengthy comment, but my initial reaction is that it is God’s blessing on our lives when we receive in abundance, and our response should always be, “Thank you, Lord,” and immediate willingness to give it back or give it away to someone else. I love to stock up things to bless my children and bring them some small, short-lived joy, but I try really hard to teach them constantly that this is a “thing” that brings them a temporary pleasure and assure them that soon we will pass it on to someone else to do the same. I have come to the point where I think it is really okay with God for us to enjoy things, as long as we are 100% willing to let them go in pursuit of enjoying Him.
John Piper wrote / spoke / delivered a book or sermon (?? can’t remember) that really changed my thinking in about all of this regarding the passage in Hebrews where they … ahhh, found it:
http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/1993/838_You_Joyfully_Accepted_the_Plundering_of_Your_Property/
Anyway, I’ll be back later. I do hope everything works out for you to come down here on tour in a few weeks – it would be such a blessing to sit and chat about these great things with you and your hubby!
31
2008
After rereading the Piper sermon, I just had to post an excerpt here that gets me dancing…
There’s only one explanation for this joy: they really believed it! They were “enlightened” by God to see it! They believed two things about their possession in heaven: one is that it is better (“you yourselves have a better possession”—v. 34) and the other is that this possession is abiding. In other words they really believed that this world is inferior and this world is temporary. The one to come is superior and the one to come is eternal.
These were not words; they were realities. They were so real that when the house and the furniture and the clothes and the books burned, and the horses were stolen, they knew (the word in v. 34 is “knowing”!) that God was actually preparing them for an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison. They said with Paul in 2 Corinthians 6:10—we “have nothing yet we possess everything.”
The key to their joy in the midst of danger and loss was that they simply did not put much stock in this world. They had been transferred into the kingdom of God’s Son (Colossians 1:13). They had passed from death to life. Their lives were hid with Christ in God.
Okay, I’ll be back!!! Lots of love!
31
2008
My husband and I just returned from a short term mission trip to Guatemala. Until you see it with your own two eyes, face to face, you will never have a clue. I thought I was doing okay, downsizing, getting rid of material things and simplifying. I realized how spoiled rotten I really am. Every single thing I have taken for granted screams at me. Taking a hot shower in a clean shower, having a toilet, no bugs, clean dishes, full cupboards, having choices, clean clothes, the list could go on and on. But, one thing they have that most of us don’t have is contentment. My live will NEVER be the same.
31
2008
Thanks for posting and beginning this discussion on excess. I have been enjoying reading the posts – esp. Aimee’s and Janel’s. Something I haven’t seen brought into this discussion is giftings. What I mean by example is that God has gifted a friend artistically. The amount of art supplies she owns is not excessive because she is giving her art back for God’s glory. However, I love art supplies – for the sake of buying art supplies – and occasionally doodle as a hobby. For me to purchase as many art supplies as my friend would be excessive. God’s gifting may allow some people to own more (photographers, musicians, furniture makers, artists, etc.) to allow them to display their God-given gift with excellence. However, when I know something is not my gift, owning more than I need in that area is excessive.
31
2008
Sara, your post really challenged me as I am facing entering the job market as I wrap up my degree. Part of me feels that if I make ‘enough’ money then I can relax and will therefore be “secure”. In my morning devotionals I have sensed God pointing out that I often want perceived security more than Him. Ouch! I decided after I read your post that I was intentionally giving my career and finances to Him. He is my Father and I know He can provide for me. I feel I am called to be faithful and obedient and He will take care of the rest.
Thanks for sharing this as it is so timely!
God Bless,
Ariel
31
2008
it’s nice to hear other people who feel the same way i do and have the same questions that i have. my husband and i have long wondered what it would look like to live like Christ when it comes to finances. and it IS such a tough thing to do! i’m still not fully convinced that i know what that looks like. another John Wesley quote that comes to mind…”make all you can. save all you can. give all you can.” i think a lot of christians only hear the “make and save” parts. but, the reason you would make all you can and save all you can is SO THAT you can give all you can. the more you make and the more you save, the more you can give. which calls into question, at least for me, the whole idea of a savings account. i wonder…is a savings account really necessary? and if so, shouldn’t i be giving away all i’m saving?
anyway, just some thoughts. it’s tough stuff….thanks for writing.
31
2008
Ariel…I’m so glad you’re learning these “lessons” early in your career
Money is one of the hardest things to give to God. I really enjoy listening to Dave Ramsey and his perspective on debt, etc. Check him out if you haven’t already.
Stephanie…you bring up a great point regarding savings. I have thought about this MANY times regarding investing. I don’t think saving and investing is bad in itself. I think Jesus calls us to be wise stewards of our money…but not wise hoarders of it. But where is the line? It’s so easy when you see the money “piling up” in the savings account to keep wanting to pile more in there because it makes one “feel” secure. It also brings up the question of what exactly retirement should be for a Christian. Should we invest simply so we don’t have to work anymore when we retire? Or should we all be engaged actively in missions/ministry after we retire? If so, the amount of money needed for investing should go down…
31
2008
Sara-
Your post is radical! And I like it, Jesus was radical. Your blog really inspires me and gets me thinking…. my husband has always had this mindset, naturally. My Dad found your sight and got me hooked. I desire to reduce and live more simply. We spent several summers where we packed up everything and lived out of suitcases- and traveled and served the Lord overseas, when I think back to that time- one of my favorite things about it was how simple and low stress life was- I desire to return to that way of life, but am struggling with where to start in my current situation-with three kids and a house. I keep reading your blog for ideas…thanks for speaking prophetically and inspiring others to live radically for Jesus too.
About the church thing- we have left our traditional ministry positions, my husband with his seminary degree is now serving the Lord in a secular job and we are seeing what it looks like to be a part of a church without walls, it is incredible. 100% of our tithe and giving goes straight to people’s needs, we gather in homes and reach out in our community to the homeless and refugees. God is calling many believers to live radically for him- even by leaving the traditional church structure- to go and “be” the church to the lost.
Blessings,
Beth
31
2008
This is such a great post with awesome responses! My husband and I have some debt. Being newly married, we’ve decided to stop buying “stuff” and live more of a Compact life. Over the last year, we’ve been downsizing our possessions, finding our life a bit too cluttered with things that have no function. We still have so much to clear out and give away!! And as I read more and more (Bible, Christian writings, living simply) the more I feel I can live without, and the more I see how much excess we have around us.
Currently, we are in CA (we live in FL) helping with some family issues. My husband and I each have a suitcase of clothes. I made myself pack as little as possible–usually I bring at least 2 large suitcases of clothes with me–and I’m finding I could have packed even less!! This is really amazing to me, and will hopefully help me clear out my closet and life even more when I return home.
I’m often wondering what God will want us to do with our living situation, but am usually thinking about what I want to do. But daily, I’m learning to trust Him more and more, turning all aspects of my life over to Him.
31
2008
“[It's been said] if there weren’t wealthy Christians with an excess of possessions and money, who would minister to the wealthy unbelievers?”
When I read that my mind immediately went to a verse I read yesterday.
Mat 10:5-10 Jesus sent these twelve out….You freely received, freely give. Do not provide gold, nor silver, nor copper in your belts, nor provision bag for the road, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staves. For the worker is worthy of his food.
I’ve always been in awe of the fact that they did so. It’s kind of the ultimate in faith and light backpacking!
But it got me wondering how much is too much and how I have such excess in my life and home. Then you posted this topic! So thanks for the thoughts, it’s interesting to read about!
31
2008
That is another good topic… Retirement. I personally think we are called to use our time wisely, and that INCLUDES when we are old.
Have you read the book “It’s All Too Much” by Peter Walsh? If so, what did you think? I haven’t read it yet, but have heard good things about it.
31
2008
Sara-With obvious downsizing/reduction of excess living in the RV what exactly did you keep in your kitchen and clothing wise? I am always looking to reduce more and more. Since you are a foody I am interested in how you are able to cook great meals with minimal utensiles.
31
2008
Melissa…in the kitchen of the RV I have a small food processor, blender, french press, coffee/seed grinder, and an assortment of knives/cutting boards. We are hoping to add a Champion juicer if we can find a good used one. We have minimal plates/cups/utensils. It’s definitely harder to create meals in a small space, but you can do it.
As for clothes, I won’t list everything here, but I probably have a lot less than most people, and I still don’t need it all. Right now I have 2-3 pairs of jeans, several sweaters, 4-5 t-shirts/long sleeve shirts, 3-4 skirts and some fleece pullovers. There is more, but that’s the main part of it. For shoes, I have Birkenstock clogs, Chaco sandals and flips, running shoes, and hiking boots.
31
2008
Normal and sufficient. Big difference between the two don’t you think?
I’ve found your blog via MDC. I’m really trying to live more simply and have learned so much from you and others there. I loved the pictures of your 1st apartment. It was small but absolutely cozy and lovely. You certainly have a talent for decorating! Then I saw the ‘flashback’ pic of your house in Beaverdale. I’m an Iowa girl too!! (Ankeny) Before I realized your apartment that you down-sized to was in DSM, I thought for sure you lived somewhere hip and happening like NYC. Not good ‘ole Des Moines. WOW! Anyways, I’ve been reading your blog during naptime and after my kiddos go to bed with fasination and awe!! Wishing you, Matt and Bella a continued safe and happy tour.
Also, my hubby wants to know if you are a Cyclone or a Hawkeye?
31
2008
Sara, I have been asking these questions and seeking answers for more than half of my 38 years. I still don’t know, other than it’s about heart. As a newly-wed couple in 1990, we went to Eastern Europe for a few years and learnt some consumer lessons. We returned to our home country (NZ) and learnt how to live those lessons within the society of choice (as opposed to in Poland where we had no choice).
We have made intentional decisions all along the way. We now have eight children. And as part of teaching them to walk with God in all things, serving fellow man in all circumstances my husband is about to take a year’s leave without pay and we’re going round the world. We’re taking our kids and our questions with us. Always seeking. Prepared to be different – and at the same time to be judged. We *could* give all that money away, but actually we have a peace that God has prepared us for this trip, this work. We are looking forward to again having only one backpack (each)worth of gear. And of our kids seeing the freedom this brings. People will see a world trip. What will God see when He looks at our heart?
31
2008
Amen to this, Sara. The Western world has many different notions about affluence than other parts of the world. You hit the nail right on the head – there are people dying, waiting for clean water, worrying about the soldiers pouring through their towns, and here we are being bombarded with CNN reports about an eminent recession that’s occuring because of so many Americans’ credit card debt…yet Visa just had about 10,000 commercials in the last five minutes (okay, bad math, I know, LOL!).
I loved the snippet of the article that you quoted about us choosing to minister to the middle class b/c we have become them. And we’re always looking for someone to place blame on for WHY we became these infamous suburbanites…but it’s our own fault. It’s easy to feel that Jesus wants to prosper us monetarily when riches come our way, and then we pray for them when they’re hard to come by. But maybe we’re praising him for the wrong blessing and praying for the wrong things…
Praising God for his PROVISION is what’s the most important thing, and praying for STEADFAST HEARTS that live in his grace is the other. Somehow America is all mixed up. I thank Him for insightful, truly loving blogs like yours that speak the truth and genuinely minister on this very topic.
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31
2008
I honestly think this is my favorite post in all of blog history! You’ve been such an inspiration to me lately (I found you a few months back) and this post is just the greatest! I loved Croc’s comment on art supplies. I’m a pretty crafty gal and love adding “supplies” to my craft collection. The problem is…God has me on a wonderful homeschooling path now and I simply don’t have time (nor the desire)to craft as I once did. I’ve often joked to friends that “it’s a SIN for me to have all this craft STUFF that I’m not using”, and I believe that with all my heart. Starting tomorrow, it’s outta’ here, baby!
(And yes, most of it will go to the Children’s Ministry at church!) Thanks again for the Biblically based inspiration! Thanks, too, to all who have left these great comments and book titles. My library list is growing by the minute! 
31
2008
One more thought (question)…How do you convince extended family members of the “less is more” idea, ESPECIALLY over-indulgent grandparents? We have children’s birthdays coming up soon and these tend to be overly excessive (and that’s putting it mildly). How did you guys handle Christmas gifts (received from others) in the RV?
31
2008
I’m enjoying the post and the discussion. I have been struggling with this lately in many ways. In the one that sticks with me most .. I have cut my spending to very little, but instead of giving the money away, I save most of it. I want to change careers in a few years to something that allows me to really help others, and I need to save enough to allow me to go back to school. Yet I continually feel guilty for this, because it seems like my savings is an excess, and that I should be giving the money away instead. I am sure that if I asked God for help, it would be given, if it was the right thing to do, but then I wonder – what if his response would be “I did help! I gave you your job, and it would’ve provided you with the means to save.” Retirement is another sticky one .. but I am sleepy so must stop here. Thank you for always posting things that make me think!
31
2008
Consumption, consumption, consumption….it has been weighing so heavily on my mind… i hate that we consume so much of this world and give so little back. not that i am going to be farming anytime soon, but i don’t have to consume as much as society tells me i should. we absolutley should minister to those who do not even have one pair of pants, shirt or socks or worse, a place to lay thier children to sleep, we just seem to not be able to see past our stuff….we can’t help cause we so busy with our stuff, we can’t even give our time because we have so much stuff; material possesions, overscheduled kids as well as adults, and we are consumed with the almighty dollar and “am i a part of this group or that group or that activity or this cirlce of friends…. ”
there are no easy answers, it goes against the grain of our nature to give what we think we don’t have. God promises to take care of our needs, and He knows them even the ones that we don’t. it is an ongoing struggle for me to stay in the resolve so that i can let go of the stuff that consumes me and my family, but we are doing it. God is opening doors though our struggles right now, He knows the plan for us.
31
2008
Wow. I’ll have to come back when I have more time and read all these thoughtful comments entirely!
I currently belong to and participate in a church that is referred to in the city as “Saint Lexus”…sometimes humorously, sometimes sarcastically. There are many people in our church, myself included, whose incomes and homes certainly don’t contribute to that stereotype. But there are also families of wealth, families whose cars and homes demonstrate that they have done well for themselves, financially.
I did not grow up in wealth, and I don’t really feel comfortable around “nice things.” In a big, expensive, professionally decorated home, I feel out of place, and I’m afraid I will break or dirty something.
So I was uncomfortable to continue going to this church, after I heard the “Saint Lexus” joke. But I just couldn’t stay away, for one reason…the PEOPLE!!! Everyone I’ve met through church, from all ends of the financial spectrum, has been warm and welcoming. They want to do for others, and give to others, and just do whatever they can to make someone else’s life better. They have made my life better by welcoming me, including me in their church family, helping me grow in my relationship with God. I don’t need their money, but there are many people in our city who do benefit from their financial generosity as well.
I judged these people based on their cars and homes and apparent wealth when I first came to this church. I was wrong. I should have gotten to know them, and left the judging to God, just as you said! They don’t make me want a nicer car, or a big house. They make me want to be generous and warm and welcoming for the next person! They make me want to embrace who I am and what I have, and use it to make someone else’s life better, just as they have made my life better.
On another note, I recently discovered the joy of buying only what I love, whether or not it’s on sale. That has contributed to my journey to simplicity more than anything else! I have actually spent less on clothes and other items, because I won’t buy something for the price, or if it’s “almost” what I’m looking for, or if “maybe I could use that someday.” I now have less clothes, and wear them more. I have fewer books, and read them more. I have less decorative items floating around the apartment, but everywhere I look is something that means something to me. It’s a heart journey, and I just keep working at listening for what God wants me to do with my money and my “stuff.” I think God is looking for growth, not perfection. I will always try to improve tomorrow upon what I have learned today.
1
2008
I have never posted before, but thought I should at some point
. I wrote a post about simplicity and later in the day came by and found your post here. I think your point about being on our knees more when we aren’t comfortable in earthly riches is really the reason we should not have excess. I think the question of what is excess is complicated, but I often find that I can see those who have obvious excess. I also relate excess amongst ministry and ministers to a questionable ministry/minister. I find it difficult to see someone with fancy things who claims the name of teacher of Christ as genuinely following the teachings of the Word.
On another note…I also enjoy your happy foody blog and loved your most recent post about feeding children. People can’t believe that our son will eat plain yogurt without sweeteners. He loves it because that’s all he knows. Fruit is the only sugar he’s ever really had. It works!
Mrs. S
1
2008
This post reminds me of a daily prayer (and post) that I started back at the beginning of the year. I was at church and the pastor mentioned something. He was talking about how he went to grad school(seminary) and how he prayed every day that he would leave with no debt. I thought that was something cool. I mean I would have never even thought to pray for no debt, because going into the University of Michigan I was expecting a lot of it. I decided though, that every day this year that I would pray to get out of all of my debt. Now I know I don’t have ‘debt’ like for a house or anything like that – I only have 2 loans outstanding currently, my student loan and my car loan. I normally don’t pray for things like this. I mean I don’t like praying for things that have a definite date. I guess it’s because I don’t want to be let down, so I guess my faith is only wishful thinking, and therefore I don’t have much faith in what I pray for (death spiral, I’m sure). Anyway, the reason I posted about this is more so that I remember to pray daily that somehow God will provide in a big way and I will be debt free by 2009. I also wanted to post because it is something I normally wouldn’t do. The reason that I wouldn’t post about it is because I wouldn’t want to be ‘let down’. I wouldn’t want to show non-Christians out there that might stumble across my blog that my God doesn’t come through. No matter what fears I have about having my prayer go unanswered I am going to push forward and pray daily for this.
I love living simply and giving, it is something that I desire in my core, but I know that with these debts that I will not be able to do it fully. I know that I won’t be able to just pick up and go if I am constantly thinking about the payments I have. Now I am also not praying to be debt free so that I feel ‘comfort’ or so that I don’t have to daily rely on God for his provisions, but I want to be able to LIVE FOR HIM and not have to be a slave to money. I know that a debt to further my education is worth every penny, and that it isn’t the same as a credit card debt that I dug myself into by buying new clothes, but it is a debt nonetheless and one that I am praying for freedom from.
I don’t know if this really makes any sense or goes along with your post, but I thought I would just put it out there.